How much are you paying for a gallon of petro/gasoline?

Dave53-7C

OK, here's the chance for everyone to lament the prices they are paying for gasoline.

51hornet

We sell gas by the litre up here and the average price where I live is $1.17 which works out to $4.48 CAN per US gallon. The sad part is we produce our own gasoline we do not import from Opec. So we should be charging what ever we want but we charge Opec prices so we can screw ourselves. Big oil here squeezing us dry for resources we pump out of the ground here.

Dave53-7C

Ooops, I forgot your in "another country" there, ya, hey. WOWIE, you're about $1.00 US higher than we are here. Man, talk about getting screwed. Have your prices been this high for a while or have they recently increased? It's especially sad since there are (reportedly) vast oil reserves in Canada.

I'm going to start work on a methane fuel conversion kit. It will come with a hose to connect the drivers seat to the intake and a lifetime supply of beans.

51hornet

Funny....

No we have gone up in price with everyone we have a lot of tax on our gas up here the province taxes us then the federal tax. All for gas we pump out of the ground in our back yard. We should drop out of Opec and price the gas ourselves but of course the fat cat oil companies couldn't gouge us then could they.

To tell you how absurd it all is we are getting paid royalties on a barrel of oil by the oil company for pumping out of our ground the rate was set when oil was $15 a barrel and now its over $60 a barrel we have applied to change the rate the oil companies are crying foul they can't make money if we do that they say...the slimy bastards....they average 5 billion dollars in profit per quarter....not enough money......sheeesh

Dave53-7C

Years ago, our former governer (who's now in jail) suspended state taxes on gasoline for about six months. Why the powers that be cannot or will not do that is beyond me. Everyone is saying that demand is up by blaming it on China. Since it's no secret that demands increase every year, why aren't the big oil boys and governments taking steps to accomodate it? If you ask me, the increase in gasoline prices (and taxes collected on them) are being used to fund overseas activities, if you get my drift.

Pacemaker500

I say we need to bring out those 100MPG carbs that are advertised in the back of my late 60's, early 70's comic books, Popular Science and Popular Mechanics.

Dave53-7C

If any such technology existed, big oil bought and destroyed it. We're going to be driving golf carts.

Maxbound

the techno is out there.... there is an old machinist in Kelowna, BC Canada who was working on a 5 pt. rotory engine. weight 80lbs. output equivilant to a 454.... He did create a very efficient carb that was bought out by a big US company in the '70's. Last I heard was making a working scale model of a 1919 RR Silver Ghost for his grand daughter... 12 " , 4 cyl. gas engine and all... hand made.

Pacemaker500

Dave53-7C wrote:

If any such technology existed, big oil bought and destroyed it. We're going to be driving golf carts.

So are you saying the PS and PM both published "fake" ads just to take in the $$$ in publishing fees? Or that the products advertised were crap?

51hornet

Come on fellas to believe that a carb can just by the fact you bolt it on miraculously give you a 100 mpg is a bit much.

Combustion is a ratio of air to fuel. To get the most efficient combustion you have to have high compression of this mixture. So cylinder head chamber design is critical as is intake profile. So your best bet for high mileage is high compression with some sort of multi-valve hemi head design, turbo charging to increase the air mixture intercooling as a prestage and low vehicle and engine weight.

In the quest for better gas mileage its not how much fuel you can get into the engine its how much air you can pump in and how much you can compress that mixture before it becomes impractical. No carb on the planet is going to out perform a fuel injection system.

Dave53-7C

Pacemaker500 wrote:

Dave53-7C wrote:

If any such technology existed, big oil bought and destroyed it. We're going to be driving golf carts.

So are you saying the PS and PM both published "fake" ads just to take in the $$$ in publishing fees? Or that the products advertised were crap?

No, that's not at all what I'm saying. But, please enlighten me as to exactly how you arrive at your conclusions based upon my comments? Confused

I did not say that such technology did not exist. Rather, and until such a time that it proven to me that it did, I must presume that it may not have. However, I heard rumors years ago that big oil did indeed buy the rights to various high mileage technology and destroyed it.

I agree with you, Sean, good gas mileage is a combination of designs and
technologies, not something easily accomplished by changing a single component or design aspect.

Maxbound

Here is something that popped up in the local paper....

"Quite a Fiat"

"Allen Apel & Lee McKee shown in Pelham Ala., with the 1959 Fiat they purchased from Talladega's International Motorsports Hall of Fame & Museum. Inside the trunk of the car they found records and documentation indicating the car had been souped up by Shell scientists in 1969 to get 244 miles per gallon of gas (0.96L/100KM) as part of an annual company contest. They hope to restore the car to it's former fuel efficient days."

taken from the Edmonton Sun Autonet Friday July 6, 2007

told you the technology is out there....lol

51hornet

That was probably a Fiat with the 500 cc engine so I can believe it getting great gas mileage would like to learn more though. My friend has one of the old Fiats nice looking little car and Fiat is now reproducing a modern version of that car with the classic sheet metal.

Zephyrmec · Hornet Joined: Aug 19, 2007 Posts: 623

Those claims popped up down here recently by some klondike who claimed he was a research scientist and had been fired by Exxon/Mobil or somebody for letting it "leak" about the research he was doing on the miracle Carb, He claimed 400MPG, They ran about a 1/4 page article about this BS, but if you read the article carefully, the guy was living in his car, and just needed about $10K seed money to get the project going. LOL! They mentioned all the "Miracle" devices like the Pogue and the Fish carburators, water vapor injection, all of those breakthroughs that the evil oil companies bought up and destroyed.....

BTW, Gas is $2.74 today, it has been creeping up as of late. The oil companies are not the thieves, it's the government! they make over 3X what the oil companies do per gallon of gasoline, and don't have to do anything except collect the money. $5 Billion is a lot of money, but as a percentage of sales, it's likely not too far out of line. How much is the Government getting during the same timeframe? Oh, they don't want to mention that do they? Compare apples to apples and you will see who the thief is!

51hornet

Not a fan of oil companies but this high mileage devices are a bunch of hokum . As I stated before combustion is a ratio of air to fuel so no carb is going to our perform fuel injection. And an engine needs Turbocharging to increase air to fuel ratio.

Look at the Mercedes 3 cylinder fuel injected turbo charged diesel in the smart car that is pushing the limits of the combustion engine.

Still its fun to think of the water carb I loved those urban myth stories. Now I could share secrets of my Plasma engine but that will have to wait for another time.