hudson wasp coupe 1952

stone · Hornet Joined: Jul 31, 2009 Posts: 223 Location: france

Zut, too late now that j have Buy super wasp.....

The lad looks with the complete h.twin power and a breech 308 this
Here are the photos which he(it) m has envoyees..

stone

www.hemmings.com/class...97760.html

Can etre the next..... Crying or Very sad

51hornet · Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:47 am Post subject: Re: hudson wasp coupe 1952

Looks ok. Maybe the head gasket on this has leaked at one time. Single carb no Twin H and a 262 engine.

stone · Hornet Joined: Jul 31, 2009 Posts: 223 Location: france

Looks ok. Maybe the head gasket on this has leaked at one time. Single carb no Twin H and a 262 engine.

indianracing · Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:28 am Post subject: Re: hudson wasp coupe 1952

Sean,
All considered, what would be a good price for this car?
Art

indianracing · Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:20 am Post subject: Re: hudson wasp coupe 1952

I have a few other questions....
Am I right in thinking that basically this was built on a pacemaker (119.0") chassis since the name pacemaker was dropped and was changed to Wasp in 52' ? Also if you walked into the dealership in 52 and wanted this car, but wanted it breathed on by the dealer, it was my understanding that they would add the "Twin H " to the motor? Would that change included:
1) twin carbs, manifold, air cleaners and exhaust?
2) Changing the emblems on either side of the car and on the trunk to reflect the "Twin H" set up.
3) Was the 308 head also installed on this change?
4) Was there a single carb upgrade by the dealer that included the red horizontal air cleaner?
5) And last, other than the severe parts upgrade, if your car came from the factory with the hot set up, was there a certain rear end ratio that came with this set up or was this also something the dealer would have done after the fact?
Thanx for all your input!! Art

indianracing · Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:23 am Post subject: Re: hudson wasp coupe 1952

Wait !!! One other question,
This is a Wasp club coupe, not a sedan because of the roof line and shorter back side windows?

stone · Hornet Joined: Jul 31, 2009 Posts: 223 Location: france

Hello indian racing
The salesman m have ecrit it:

"engine is a 262 and the trunk is nice if you buy the car i will throw in a twin h 308 dual carb manifold 2 carbs and 2 twin h air cleaners they all need a little work and a 308 aluminum head "

stone

indianracing · Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: hudson wasp coupe 1952

I contacted the owner by email today.
For all who is interested in this car his email to me:
" the car runs fine no clunking of the u joints it has 80,000 miles on the odometer, doors close nice all lines are tight i also have 308 alu, head and twin carb man, 2 carbs and 2 air filters i will put in the trunk if you buy or if not interested they will be ebayed another day please call me with any ques, Joe 973 632 3302 "

Art

51hornet · Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: hudson wasp coupe 1952

Ok Art lets go through your questions.

The price he wants for the car is fine it looks in good shape and the price is well within the boundaries for the car.

1. Yes Twin H setup could be dealer installed or you could order the car with it installed from factory.
2. There were no side emblems only a trunk emblem.
3. No it was not, do not know why he is offering this unless he is saying the engine is a 308 with a 262 head for compression. This car came from the factory with a 262 in it. Looks like a 262 to me though I cannot see bottom of block to confirm the reinforcing rib that 308's have.
4. No single carb was standard and it had a black round aircleaner as shown or sometimes a black horizontal aircleaner.
5. Rear end ratio was determined by the transmission the car shipped with. The standard came with different ratios depending on if it had OD or not. The Hydramatic cars shipped with one axle ratio. Though dealer would install anything you wanted.

Yes body style is 2 dr Club Coupe which differs from the 2dr sedan or 2dr brougham. You can tell by rear side window shape. Brougham has long window coupe has this shorter window.

Looks like a good deal and you get a Twin H setup only question to ask is that the swb Twin H for a 262 or a 308 Twin H setup. Are the air cleaners for a swb car as the rear will not fit correctly on this the rear air cleaner will hit the wiper motor.

All in all coupes are getting hard to find so if you want it you should go for it.

indianracing · Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: hudson wasp coupe 1952

Thanks Sean,
I`m trying not to put the horse before the cart, I still have to sell my 32 to get into this. Taking the time to get the knowledge will pay off in dividends when the right car comes along and then it will be a keeper. Either way, I still intend to drive the wheels off of it!
I didn`t realize that there were two "Twin H" set ups, one for the 308 and one for the 262 ? I see what you are talking about as Mike from NZ I think has this problem with his air cleaners, (one hitting the wiper motor).
I would be willing to get this coupe if he is interested in some sort of trade on the 32. Otherwise I will have to wait.... there is the Sept. 19th meet here in Florida of the Orange Blossom Chapter. No rush. As soon as you find something you`ve searched for another 3 turn up! I think this would be a great little brother to Stone`s Wasp 4 dr. ! He could be the Hudson King of France no less, Ha!! Art Very Happy

indianracing · Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: hudson wasp coupe 1952

Sean, did you get my email on the head that was for sale on Ebay? Was it a 308 head and are you looking for one? Art

51hornet · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:05 am Post subject: Re: hudson wasp coupe 1952

Yes it was a H145 Aluminum head off of a 51 Hornet engine. Did not need one and was wary of the piston hit it statement. Though it was more likely a valve hit it and damaged it.

I have a few of those heads in the garage.

indianracing · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:50 am Post subject: Re: hudson wasp coupe 1952

Getting back to the "Twin H" set up, besides the air cleaners, what other differences would there be? Are the manifolds the same and are the carb sizes the same as well? Also what is the rear end ratio for the Hydramatic and is it the same for 2 dr. and 4 dr. models.

51hornet · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:00 am Post subject: Re: hudson wasp coupe 1952

The carbs for the 262 setup are Carter 968's and they have different Jets than the 2113 carbs that go on the 308 setup.

The Hydramatic ratio is 3.58 for 1951 cars equipped with the H51 tranny. In 52 and up Hudson moved to the dual range Hydra and the ratio was changed to 3.07 also they moved from a Hudson rear end to a Dana model. 52 and up had a Dana 44 with 3.07 gears for the Auto and this was same for coupe or sedan.

rocket88 · Hornet Joined: Jul 22, 2009 Posts: 50

indianracing wrote:

Thanks Sean,
I`m trying not to put the horse before the cart, I still have to sell my 32 to get into this. Taking the time to get the knowledge will pay off in dividends when the right car comes along and then it will be a keeper. Either way, I still intend to drive the wheels off of it!
I didn`t realize that there were two "Twin H" set ups, one for the 308 and one for the 262 ? I see what you are talking about as Mike from NZ I think has this problem with his air cleaners, (one hitting the wiper motor).
I would be willing to get this coupe if he is interested in some sort of trade on the 32. Otherwise I will have to wait.... there is the Sept. 19th meet here in Florida of the Orange Blossom Chapter. No rush. As soon as you find something you`ve searched for another 3 turn up! I think this would be a great little brother to Stone`s Wasp 4 dr. ! He could be the Hudson King of France no less, Ha!!
Art Very Happy

Hi Art,
That looks like a pretty nice car, if you do get it and it has the right aircleaner for the rear carb send me a pic of it. If this is a good car and you can find a way, do it , I know you say something will turn up but I spent about 5 years trying to find one, I know it's more difficult from this side of the world and the right price but you will kick yourself if you can't find one as good.
Hows that Harley going? Cheers Mike.